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Guys, going back and forth with this is not going to solve anything. Please use this place to have a proper discussion about what changes need to be done to the articles. Meanwhile, this page stays locked until guy both chill out ~ The Maverick  013  06:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

To Maverick (And lemon boy if you want)
The Maverick (is it okay if I just call you Maverick?), I honestly thought lemon boy and I had talked it out a month ago, the fact that he waited until I was on vacation to change the page back and make other edits to prevent his changes from being undone makes it pretty clear that he wanted me to be under the impression that we were in agreement. We clearly were not which I think is sad because I thought the page was one of the best pages before he went back to screwing it up again.

To add to that, I noticed you left a message on my talk page on August 20th, to be honest with you, I didn't know there were user talk pages until I accidentally clicked on it so I don't really know what to say about that.

Most of the issues are steaming from the Trivia section, so I think we need to start there by taking a look at the definition of trivia;

"Details, considerations, or pieces of information of little importance or value."

Pointing out that a bunch of things in this movie are missing arms when this thing is only arms is by definition trivia since it is a detail with little importance or value. It's also fun, which for some reason isn't allowed on a wiki about a cartoon where one of the main characters is a functioning alcoholic who lives with two 13 year old children and a pet penguin...

It's also weird to me that this page, above seaming every other page on this wiki, is held to this ridiculous level of scrutiny. Somehow, a page about a ball with arms, which is hilarious (and anyone who takes it seriously is lacking self awareness), is a point of contention when most of the NGE pages, especially Evangelion Unit 1, is barren, poorly written and filled with complete garbage yet for some reason, this page is top priority.

It's even funnier to me that this page became such a huge priority considering the fact that the English release of the movie was out for a full week, not to mention that the movie itself was out for 7 months and yet somehow, nobody thought to make it, yet the second I made the page, all of a sudden making sure it was perfect became the top priority. I'm not going to assume anyone's motivations and I get that the wiki is for collaboration, but I'm willing to bet that if the page was never made it there still wouldn't be a page for it so saying that you want it to be free from the sin of fun trivia because you're interested in it is a clear lie.

I also don't understand why this page hasn't been added to the bottom bar with either the other rebuild Evangelion units or more reasonably the other weapons or related articles. If Shinkalion Z 500 TYPE EVA, which doesn't have a page by the way, can be included as a related article there's absolutely no reason why this shouldn't be.

My point is this, your attitudes to this page being held to some high standard is laughable since neither of you actually give a shit about editing standards anywhere else. Most pages on this wiki were a complete mess before I started fixing them, in fact, almost all of my hundreds of edits on this wiki are fixing inconsistent formatting issues and terrible grammar which were prevalent on this wiki for at least 5 years, probably earlier.

Here's my theory, I think lemon boy didn't take too kindly to the fact that I was fixing his grammar and complete failure to meet basic formatting standards so he decided to take it out on this poor, innocent page because he couldn't cope that somebody new was fixing his mistakes that he was never going to fix himself.

If you, Maverick, really think that this page including fun trivia and references is bad for the wiki but you think everything else is fine, you're a bad moderator. If you're going to take lemon boys side on this because he's been here longer rather then actually bothering to read the things you're enforcing the removal of, you're not just a bad moderator, you're beyond reason.

I want this wiki to be the best it can be, for it to be a fun place for others to read about a show I love much like how I used it when I was younger, but if the two top editors want the wiki to stay inconsistent, poorly written and dry then so be it, if you don't have an interest in maintaining the wiki properly then nothing I can write will change your mind. ~User:ArxisOne

yeah yeah
"Most of the issues are steaming from the Trivia section, so I think we need to start there by taking a look at the definition of trivia"

You are literally the only person I ever saw using the term "abarmination", and I do use twitter, evageeks, reddit and other evangelion related community groups, now imagine if anyone who decided to call a piece a nickname decided to edit a piece here to add its specific name, it would be a mess, It is the same reason why I took to separate the angels page between rebuild and NGE ones, since in the beginning it was the same page, even there were official names for both of them. In Japan, before any name was given in any official capacity, it was called "腕ンゲリオン", something like armgelion, but since then something official came as Arm Unit (that is referenced by the way, in khara official twitter profile). And even this was not written because we care more about what is official than creations of fans and fan names (evageeks isn't like that for example)

"It's also weird to me that this page, above seaming every other page on this wiki, is held to this ridiculous level of scrutiny. Somehow, a page about a ball with arms, which is hilarious (and anyone who takes it seriously is lacking self awareness), is a point of contention when most of the NGE pages, especially Evangelion Unit 1, is barren, poorly written and filled with complete garbage yet for some reason, this page is top priority."

Yeah, it is held by a reasonable level of scrutiny. Every page that I take under my wing I like to edit with a level of quality, giving sources and images and so on. I don't like to interpret things for myself and give false information, preferring to leaving empty to speculation. It is better to leave empty to give false or mistaken information. And people who likes to edit the wikia loves evangelion, even the arm unit design, it isn't up to you to edit the page mocking the design, we describe the design and gives information about, that is it. Is not up to us to say it is a bad or good design otherwise. It is up to the reader to make his own conclusions, not for us or them to write here. You have the community part or talk pages for that.

And speaking for myself: I don't care about most Evangelion units from the TV series, I watched years ago and have no interest in watching again taking screenshots of every aspect of it, but I do care about the Evangelion Unit-04 (Rapidborer Equipment) and went to great lengths to describe it. It is up to whoever wants to edit to decide on what he wants to work on. Felipe likes to edit character pages, I like to edit mecha pages, there are people that like to edit series pages. Unless someone wants to edit, it will be a barren page, it is normal for it to be like that. What do you want us to do? Make a list of things to work in order of importance? It isn't going to happen, anyone likes to work in whatever page they want. I like to work on the Rebuild Evangelions and other mecha, I won't stop my day to work on NGE evas since I have no interest on it. That is it, if you want to work there, feel free to go and do it.

"the fact that the english release of the movie was out for a full week, not to mention that the movie itself was out for 7 months and yet somehow, nobody thought to make it, yet the second I made the page, all of a sudden making sure it was perfect became the top priority."

Yeah, unless something is created, there won't be any fixing to do it. There are lots of pages that are still not created, so we don't have to fix it, it is quite simple isn't? And you are new here, in the case you didn't noticed it, this is a really small wikia, there are not many people working here. Seven days is nothing in the scale of things, there are pages from things from the 1995 that still don't exist. The amount of time and the work put on the pages isn't directly connected together, it is up to the users to make it if they so desire. This own page is a great example of it: it is mostly finished at the moment since there are no new information given by khara or the movie itself to add here. Until we get more information, it is better to leave as it is. There are pages which this isn't true, most of them in fact. And why is top priority? Because it is part of the mecha from the rebuild series, which happens to be my focus, and as one of the most frequent users, I had to fix it since it was created already. I don't have the same problem as the RS Hopper, since the page doesn't exist yet and we lack information to write about it. And even then I may not even create it, it isn't a set on stone or anything like that.

"but I'm willing to bet that if the page was never made it there still wouldn't be a page for it so saying that you want it to be free from the sin of fun trivia because you're interested in it is a clear lie."

And this is where you don't realize the problem. You think the problem is the trivia, it isn't. It is the great speculation that you put in the page from the creation of it. Making assumptions without even thinking or caring to source. You doubt me? Look at the history page and go back to the first time you created the page, look there and see the difference of quality of the whole page. That is what we don't want here and right now as the page is locked is more akin to what we want the pages to look like. "oh but arm unit is such a silly design" it doesn't matter what you think or don't, we as a group, clearly takes evangelion as seriously at the point that we use our free time to edit things here to offer to the people who want to know more about evangelion, good information on the franchise.

"I also don't understand why this page hasn't been added to the bottom bar with either the other rebuild Evangelion units or more reasonably the other weapons or related articles. If Shinkalion Z 500 TYPE EVA, which doesn't have a page by the way, can be included as a related article there's absolutely no reason why this shouldn't be."

Because of the formatting there is a problem. If it is indeed confirmed as evangelion, we would put there with the others, but if it isn't? then where would we put it? There are other pages which would face the same problem like the simulation one from 1.0 and RS Hopper, where to put it? the whole box needs some formatting since there are many more evangelions to put there (the evas from the evangelion online for example and the ones from battlefields). As for Shinkalion Z 500 TYPE EVA, the episode hasn't aired yet, so I did not create the page because there isn't enough information, the same as the Oni Evangelion page and other minor pages. My idea would to make a box for all mecha, regardless if it is evangelion, so it would have space for all, but still could be as cluttered as it is right now.

"My point is this, your attitudes to this page being held to some high standard is laughable since neither of you actually give a shit about editing standards anywhere else. Most pages on this wiki were a complete mess before I started fixing them, in fact, almost all of my hundreds of edits on this wiki are fixing inconsistent formatting issues and terrible grammar which were prevalent on this wiki for at least 5 years, probably earlier."

And thanks for that. If you think I have a maniac relationship to go after your edits, you should realize that I never touched your standardization of the evangelions pages, something that I never bothered with, since I was focused mostly in the content of it.

"Here's my theory, I think lemon boy didn't take too kindly to the fact that I was fixing his grammar and complete failure to meet basic formatting standards so he decided to take it out on this poor, innocent page because he couldn't cope that somebody new was fixing his mistakes that he was never going to fix himself."

English isn't my first language, so it is always a problem for me, and working here is a way of improving my english. As for the formatting standards, there were none to meet AFAIK, so good job on making some of it.

"I want this wiki to be the best it can be, for it to be a fun place for others to read about a show I love much like how I used it when I was younger, but if the two top editors want the wiki to stay inconsistent, poorly written and dry then so be it,"

This isn't a place to have fun, the community page is for that. We put INFORMATION here, we aren't the transformers wiki, if you want to flex your comedy skills through editing, go there. If you want to add INFORMATION that is SOURCED and in a manner that is NEUTRAL, you are welcome to edit here, but if you keep adding bullshit, making speculations and creating your own fanfic of evangelion, this isn't the place for you or just use your blog page.

And this is one of the reasons why I like to edit rebuild eva pages and not NGE eva pages: Rebuild gives concrete information and is thoroughly thought in its design. NGE is vague about everything it its conception. The weapons are vague, the evas are vague. And this void isn't something that I have interest in editing, It is quite simple, lets see how:

There is a logic to the design language of the rebuild evangelions. Lets use the example of when you first created the page, implying that the arm unit is taken from mark.44b: one is stationed near paris, the other in the nerv HQ, 44b is written PROJEKT EVANGELION. Similar to the flashbacks of asuka, already in euro nerv, giving the idea that is made there, not Nerv in japan. But we don't know what is inside the mark.44b domes, it could have the arms inside but we don't know, to speculate it is the same arm not shown is a stretch of the size of spear of gaius. The design of both the mark4444c hands are different from the arm units, we know that there are factories in the nerv hq and with hands there in 3.0.

Even by making fanfiction of my own, I can make a more logic one than your assumptions. But should we put it in the wikia? NO, and that is why you don't see me writing my own worldbuilding in the pages, preferring to leaving it empty until further official information

The same way for the unit 04 design. "do khara have some designs to use?" Yes, they do. "why is it absent?" Because they choose not to use it. The designs that they have is two: One for pachinko machines (https://youtu.be/ulUUQSDxbNs), and one for the USJ park attraction. so why is it absent? It was a specific deliberated decision, they already have the models and the designs, even a recolor of unit 03 would be possible (in the same way the unit 8+2 and the mpevas from the preview are absent too), which gives you the impression that: oh maybe the arm units aren't evas at all, even more when the pattern continues with not leaving the effects when destroyed. Even the japanese wikipedia isn't clear to write it as evangelions, making the status similar to the rs hoppers as advanced weapons.

And concluding this, you clearly doesn't take eva seriously, you don't research it, you don't source it, and its up to others to clean up your mess after you leave. Maybe it is our mistake to not make clear guidelines to what put on the pages and what not to, since it is few users working on it. But lets imagine all the time I was writing this whole text that I could be using to write other pages, that is how I feel personally by cleaning up your mess, bad use of my own time.

You didn't even address my point, you coward
"You are literally the only person I ever saw using the term "abarmination", and I do use twitter, evageeks, reddit and other evangelion related community groups, now imagine if anyone who decided to call a piece a nickname decided to edit a piece here to add its specific name, it would be a mess, It is the same reason why I took to separate the angels page between rebuild and NGE ones, since in the beginning it was the same page, even there were official names for both of them. In Japan, before any name was given in any official capacity, it was called "腕ンゲリオン", something like armgelion, but since then something official came as Arm Unit (that is referenced by the way, in khara official twitter profile). And even this was not written because we care more about what is official than creations of fans and fan names (evageeks isn't like that for example)"

I like the nickname, but that's not the trivia I specifically mentioned because it's not the removal I took issue with, as I made clear in my original comment. The only reason why I kept adding it back was because you removed the reference to and from the 44B and I just reverted your changes. The fact that you were removing all my changes despite them containing some relevant information is a good sign that you weren't interested in making the page better, you just wanted to act out against changes because I made them. If you were willing to be reasonable, I would be happy to remove the name, I never really cared about that in the first place.

"Yeah, it is held by a reasonable level of scrutiny. Every page that I take under my wing I like to edit with a level of quality, giving sources and images and so on. I don't like to interpret things for myself and give false information, preferring to leaving empty to speculation. It is better to leave empty to give false or mistaken information. And people who likes to edit the wikia loves evangelion, even the arm unit design, it isn't up to you to edit the page mocking the design, we describe the design and gives information about, that is it. Is not up to us to say it is a bad or good design otherwise. It is up to the reader to make his own conclusions, not for us or them to write here. You have the community part or talk pages for that. "

Your level of scrutiny is laughably bad and horribly inconsistent, even among the pages you do edit. Your level of quality is embarrassing and your motivation for taking an interest in this page is still unknown. If you were really interested in it, you would have made the page yourself days before or even months before I had the chance to. Nobody believes you care about this page, you're clearly just using it to try and assert your sad self perceived dominance over somebody who was fixing your mistakes."

"And this is where you don't realize the problem. You think the problem is the trivia, it isn't. It is the great speculation that you put in the page from the creation of it. Making assumptions without even thinking or caring to source. You doubt me? Look at the history page and go back to the first time you created the page, look there and see the difference of quality of the whole page. That is what we don't want here and right now as the page is locked is more akin to what we want the pages to look like. "oh but arm unit is such a silly design" it doesn't matter what you think or don't, we as a group, clearly takes evangelion as seriously at the point that we use our free time to edit things here to offer to the people who want to know more about evangelion, good information on the franchise."

The problem was always the trivia section, I made a single change to the page in the past month which was adding back two pieces of trivia, which you removed again before the page was locked. Don't try and move the goal posts or project your problems on me, this was always about the trivia section, if it wasn't I would have changed a whole lot more last night. Good try on that one though.

As for the initial quality of the page, I had just finished watching the movie and it was 1AM in the morning, I looked for the page, it wasn't there and I made an account just to add the page. No shit it wasn't detailed, I just made the page, typed up the most basic description and went to bed, I wasn't in the mood to give the topic any deep thought at the time, I just wanted to go to bed. The next day, I checked the page, thought the additions you made were good though poorly written, added back the trivia and fixed your grammar and left again because I was happy with how the page looked. Should have I made the page before I could add content to it? Maybe not but if I hadn't then it wouldn't even be on the site because nobody else, including you, actually cared enough to make it in the first place.

As for me not taking the series seriously, what an absolutely brain dead take. None of my edits anywhere else have been anything but professional since again, they were mostly bringing up every major page up to a basic standard. For the longest time, you were actually reverting my changes where all I did

As for the last part, why do you get to be the arbitrator of what is and isn't good information? Why do you think it's impossible to be light hearted about a series and its contents while also taking it seriously? This isn't your series, you don't get to make the calls on what is and isn't good information. As for the wiki, it isn't a question of good and bad information, it's a question of relevant and irrelevant information, and the lack of arms and the sudden appearance of quite a lot of arms is extremely relevant to this unit. It's not speculation, it's called an observation since it's done with the eyes, as in, you can see the lack of arms, then you can see the abundance of arms. This isn't hard stuff to grasp lemon boy.

"And this is one of the reasons why I like to edit rebuild eva pages and not NGE eva pages: Rebuild gives concrete information and is thoroughly thought in its design. NGE is vague about everything it its conception. The weapons are vague, the evas are vague. And this void isn't something that I have interest in editing, It is quite simple, lets see how:"

I'm going to stop you right there, your opinions mean nothing to anyone, not a single person cares which pages you like to edit and why. That's not the issue here, it's your over zealous editing practices, like the time somebody tried to merge two identical pages of some helicopter or something and you stopped them because one had a stripe. That's dumb and you know it. You just want to have your own little safe space on the wiki where you're in control and you can't handle other people wanting to fix your poor writing and formatting.

"Because of the formatting there is a problem. If it is indeed confirmed as evangelion, we would put there with the others, but if it isn't? then where would we put it? There are other pages which would face the same problem like the simulation one from 1.0 and RS Hopper, where to put it? the whole box needs some formatting since there are many more evangelions to put there (the evas from the evangelion online for example and the ones from battlefields). As for Shinkalion Z 500 TYPE EVA, the episode hasn't aired yet, so I did not create the page because there isn't enough information, the same as the Oni Evangelion page and other minor pages. My idea would to make a box for all mecha, regardless if it is evangelion, so it would have space for all, but still could be as cluttered as it is right now."

So what you're saying is there's a perfect category for this page to fit into at the bottom banner and yet you refuse to add it to the list because you have personal issues with it. Great, thanks for that admission.

"And thanks for that. If you think I have a maniac relationship to go after your edits, you should realize that I never touched your standardization of the evangelions pages, something that I never bothered with, since I was focused mostly in the content of it."

One look at the editing history of the 44B shows this whole line is just overflowing with bullshit. You reverted changes I made to the formatting over and over again, you can't lie when all the receipts are preserved on that page for anybody to see.

"There is a logic to the design language of the rebuild evangelions. Lets use the example of when you first created the page, implying that the arm unit is taken from mark.44b: one is stationed near paris, the other in the nerv HQ, 44b is written PROJEKT EVANGELION. Similar to the flashbacks of asuka, already in euro nerv, giving the idea that is made there, not Nerv in japan. But we don't know what is inside the mark.44b domes, it could have the arms inside but we don't know, to speculate it is the same arm not shown is a stretch of the size of spear of gaius. The design of both the mark4444c hands are different from the arm units, we know that there are factories in the nerv hq and with hands there in 3.0."

Here's what I originally wrote:

"*While not confirmed, it is interesting to note that these Eva units are entirely made of arms and shoulder pylons, both of which were removed from Evangelion Mark.44B. It is speculated that the leftover arms from the production of the Mark. 44B's were used in the creation of these units."

Nothing there is wrong or even approximates fan fic. If you took issue with the line, a proper correction would be to change it to point out that the 44B's are missing arms while these units are only arms, but you didn't do that because it was never about the content of the trivia, it was about control for you. Your little line about MGS is far less relevant and far less interesting then the absence of arms from the 44B's but you know what, I left it because while I don't think it added anything, I respected that you felt it did. It's a shame you couldn't hold that same curtsy over to anyone else on the wiki.

"And concluding this, you clearly doesn't take eva seriously, you don't research it, you don't source it, and its up to others to clean up your mess after you leave. Maybe it is our mistake to not make clear guidelines to what put on the pages and what not to, since it is few users working on it. But lets imagine all the time I was writing this whole text that I could be using to write other pages, that is how I feel personally by cleaning up your mess, bad use of my own time."

I don't research it and don't source it... That's extremely ironic considering you only added one source to the arm page which was referencing to its name. It's almost as if sources aren't needed in most cases on this wiki because it's assumed that unless you're referencing external resources that the source is the same as the media the page is based on. As for a lack of research, that's also laughable since, just to name an example, you blew up about it being a positron cannon and not rifle, but it was referred to as both in merchandise and on the Evangelion 1.11 page, which I cited to you when we were having that argument on the 4444C page. The fact that you're projecting this hard is honestly sad to me.

You also write in broken English, that's fine, it's great that you're trying to learn the language and writing on a wiki is a great way to do it. The problem isn't that, it's that you're saying that I'm making a mess when all I've been doing is cleaning up yours. If you know you don't write great, that's no problem, I'm happy to help you out by reformatting and restructuring your content so it's better for everybody. On the other hand, what I'm not happy to do is get told I'm screwing up your work by making it readable. To quote myself once again (from the 44B page):

"I get maintaining a wiki is a team effort, but if you're going to be the highest ranked active editor you should probably get your head out of your ass and take some responsibility for your inability to write well. I had no issue working with you before when you would write the majority of the content and I could fix your grammar, I have no issue going back to that arrangement but if you're going to be like this then we're going to be stuck in this god forsaken loop for a while."

That offer is still open, and it always will be because I'm not interested in getting into pissing matches with power tripping overly obsessive asshats. I haven't criticized the content of what you write because that was never the issue, I don't appreciate that you're trying to change what the nature of this argument is about to serve your perspective better, it's dishonest and cowardly. ~User:ArxisOne

Adding to this, as for unit-04 being missing, I don't care what bullshit reason you use to cope with it not being there, the fact is, it wasn't there and there's no official statements on why it isn't. A lack of a model is a bad reason considering it's just a silver 03 which they had a model for and a recolor would have taken a split second. The reality is, there's no way to know if that's the case or not and there's no reason to assume that scene had every Eva cannon to the Rebuilds in it. If there are other reasons to suggest it's not an Eva then I would be happy to entertain them but if that's the only argument you have then that's not good enough. I'm not saying to call it an Eva (see my original post where I mentioned the group to put it with), I'm saying we also shouldn't say it definitively isn't one purely because of that.

tiresome
"The only reason why I kept adding it back was because you removed the reference to and from the 44B and I just reverted your changes."

I removed the reference to mark 44b because it doesn't make sense to leave it there. Do you think 44b is the only evangelion without arms? What about mark 04A,04B and 04C? are you going to link EVERY SINGLE evangelion without arms? If I write about shoulder pylons, will I list every single evangelion without it? It doesn't make sense to leave it there.

"your motivation for taking an interest in this page is still unknown. If you were really interested in it, you would have made the page yourself days before or even months before I had the chance to. Nobody believes you care about this page, you're clearly just using it to try and assert your sad self perceived dominance over somebody who was fixing your mistakes."

My motivation is clear: I like do edit mechas from the rebuild series, I am sure I would be editing the 8 gamma or shin ni if I did not have to waste my time discussing with you already. And of course, this isn't a race. No one wins prizes for creating pages or anything. I sure only took interest in the arm unit page because someone created and started put whatever information on it. I would be way happier if I could focus on other evas pages instead of this one with the constant edit wars. This isn't a matter of liking or not the page, it is a matter of maintaining quality, the same thing as the vtol page, it isn't about my profound love for the arm unit or the vtol aircraft, but the quality of the pages themselves.

"Should have I made the page before I could add content to it? Maybe not but if I hadn't then it wouldn't even be on the site because nobody else, including you, actually cared enough to make it in the first place."

So you also is able to see the future too huh? It is incredible in how this is the only page where this conflict is happening, I don't see the problems with my supposed absolute need to control in Minus Space or Evangelion Imaginary, I wonder why... Maybe it is because the users there are trying to help by giving good information, not writing about the fact of the size of evangelion imaginary's nipple is similar to the size of rei's nipple and should be written in the trivia page as a connection to it.

"Why do you think it's impossible to be light hearted about a series and its contents while also taking it seriously?"

Simple. It isn't the purpose of all these years of work to be humorous, this isn't transformers wiki. We try to be as neutral as possible, that is the prerogative in here. How each one react to the movie, game, book or whatever is up to them. Imagine if in describing a scene in the manga I started to write about sadamoto's attempts at comedy and ranking them. It is literally what you were doing when you created the page.

"This isn't your series, you don't get to make the calls on what is and isn't good information. As for the wiki, it isn't a question of good and bad information, it's a question of relevant and irrelevant information, and the lack of arms and the sudden appearance of quite a lot of arms is extremely relevant to this unit. It's not speculation, it's called an observation since it's done with the eyes, as in, you can see the lack of arms, then you can see the abundance of arms."

We as a group decide what we put on the wikia and how. How to separate each page and so on, this isn't a single person deciding on each thing, it is a group consensus. It was stabilished years ago that the pages would be split in rebuild versions and NGE versions and to this day we are still working on the separation of it, not all is done but it is the point that was decided by a group.

And when describing things, you don't describe absence of things. You describe what you see. in the case of mark.44B, you describe the dome over the torso, we don't speculate about its arms since we can't see them, are they inside the dome, cut them off, doesn't matter since we can't describe in a manner that is accurate until we get further information. You describe what is, not what isn't.

"like the time somebody tried to merge two identical pages of some helicopter or something and you stopped them because one had a stripe. That's dumb and you know it. You just want to have your own little safe space on the wiki where you're in control and you can't handle other people wanting to fix your poor writing and formatting. "

It was decided by the group to split the pages years ago, I am just enforcing the decision made back then. This is no power trip dude.

"So what you're saying is there's a perfect category for this page to fit into at the bottom banner and yet you refuse to add it to the list because you have personal issues with it. Great, thanks for that admission."

And this is how I know you can't think for a second. I just wrote that there isn't a perfect category. Are we going to put a rebuild page inside others with crossover, merchandising related and so on? Are you daft? The problem is because the box is made just for EVANGELIONS, not all mecha, if it was, we could put there.

'"*While not confirmed, it is interesting to note that these Eva units are entirely made of arms and shoulder pylons, both of which were removed from Evangelion Mark.44B. It is speculated that the leftover arms from the production of the Mark. 44B's were used in the creation of these units."''

Nothing there is wrong or even approximates fan fic.

This is the most idiotic shit I ever read on this site. Do you even realize it? Lets see how: "these Eva units are entirely made of arms and shoulder pylons" wrong, we don't know if they are evangelions or not, they aren't made of arms and should pylons, there is a sphere in the middle with another capabilities like self exploding and also supposedly 3 blue sensors. "both of which were removed from Evangelion Mark.44B", fanfic of the century here. "It is speculated that the leftover arms from the production of the Mark. 44B's were used in the creation of these units." You should rename yourself as kozo fuyutsuki, because you sure as hell have the whole NERV evangelion development plan in your desk to affirm this.

And the best part is: While not confirmed, holy shit, if it isn't confirmed, imagine the STRETCH that you went writing all this. Even by fanfic standards, it would be pretty dumb by the way, since it would make much more sense to write as the arms of the mark04 since they are almost the same color except the shoulder pylons and knee guards.

"I don't research it and don't source it... That's extremely ironic considering you only added one source to the arm page which was referencing to its name.

Yeah, it is a shame I couldn't source the video before since I watched it on the EVA EXTRA app and it doesn't allow you to take screenshots, but I eventually found it as I was looking for another information on khara's twitter page. But now is sourced there, shouldn't we be happy?

"It's almost as if sources aren't needed in most cases on this wiki because it's assumed that unless you're referencing external resources that the source is the same as the media the page is based on."

Again, wrong. The MAXIMUM sources for the evangelion rebuild movie series isn't the movies, it is the CRC. Or did you ever realize how don't call Unit 01 shogoki but we use the term used by khara Evangelion Test Type-01. Or how we don't call Unit 13 but use the term by khara Evangelion 13. The CRC and supplemental material released by khara is the supreme source of it, since most of the cases the names used in the movies are too simple. And this was the case from the start since the home release of 1.01 with the Explained version naming it all in its official names. We don't have the CRC of 3.0 and Shin, its been years since the release of the third movie. And that is why we must wait on these books to be released to get the correct information and the reasons as for why the decision was made.

"you blew up about it being a positron cannon and not rifle, but it was referred to as both in merchandise and on the Evangelion 1.11 page, which I cited to you when we were having that argument on the 4444C page. The fact that you're projecting this hard is honestly sad to me."

No I didn't blow about any shit. It was never positron rifle, never ever. But since you want to use merchandising to name as such, lets use it them [Set Contents] 2nd Experimental High Output Self-Propelled 460mm Positron Cannon. Isn't the merchandising enough? Lets see the movie itself them. 00:59:56, official amazon english subtitles: "a positron cannon armed 4444c land battle variant". I even went to different languages to see if any uses rifle, and guess what: NONE. But lets guess which one is correct: a page that wasn't well maintained like evangelion 1.0 movie page, merchandising or the weapons section? It is hard to do research is it?

But again, lets even use other product, even more recent: bandai rg evangelion unit 00

But gee, I wonder where could I see the OFFICIAL OFFICIAL OFFICIAL name? ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:序 全記録全集ビジュアルストーリー版設定 資料版 p.256 But yeah, sure I blew it up.

"Adding to this, as for unit-04 being missing, I don't care what bullshit reason you use to cope with it not being there, the fact is, it wasn't there and there's no official statements on why it isn't. A lack of a model is a bad reason considering it's just a silver 03 which they had a model for and a recolor would have taken a split second."

Simple, it isn't the same design. And thank god we have the 2.0 CRC because it is written there, one is the Evangelion Production Model-03 and the other is Evangelion Next Gen Testbed-04, did you realize the difference? One is a production model and other isn't. We have no fucking clue about the design of it, if it even have a main body, arms, legs, head, we have no clue. The fact is: there are 3 evangelions that "shows" in the movies and yet are absent in the scene: Evangelion Next Gen Testbed-04, unit 8+2 and the mass produced mark.06s. the later two also have their designs and models, yet are still absent, one we don't have a design since they decided to not put it there since it was their decision to. So it isn't a question of only not having a model, they did have the models for two supposed evangelion that were changed later as the plans for the last movie happened.

"The reality is, there's no way to know if that's the case or not and there's no reason to assume that scene had every Eva cannon to the Rebuilds in it. If there are other reasons to suggest it's not an Eva then I would be happy to entertain them but if that's the only argument you have then that's not good enough. I'm not saying to call it an Eva (see my original post where I mentioned the group to put it with), I'm saying we also shouldn't say it definitively isn't one purely because of that."

As for why I believe it isn't an eva I already wrote it, not gonna repeat myself. And for that reason I removed the supposedly evangelion from the page and wrote what was in the movie: It was a defensive weapon since it couldn't travel to attack like the mark seven. It could only defend the place before the attacks of the wille evas, in the same way that the purpose of it wasn't to destroy the evangelions, but to incapacitate them since gendo's plan needed an evangelion to turn into the new 9th angel. It being absent from the scene of deconstruction only makes sense as if they know it wasn't an evangelion, since neither khara refered as such in social media and in the movie itself. Unless we get more information, this page is already fine the way it is, since nothing more can be described beyond small details like the shape of the toe guards or the format of the shoulder pylons.

This is tiresome and I hope to not even come back to it, I will keep correcting the mistakes or vandalism of anyone who edits the wikia, you keep believing this is a power trip, imagining a crusade against you personally when it is a simple case of a person not wanting to leave a false information on the page. ~User:Lemostr00

You're a bad editor
Being unable to defend yourself would be tiring, I wouldn't know though, after all, I actually own up to my mistakes and address your points instead of deflecting and avoiding because I'm not a coward, unlike you.

"I removed the reference to mark 44b because it doesn't make sense to leave it there. Do you think 44b is the only evangelion without arms? What about mark 04A,04B and 04C? are you going to link EVERY SINGLE evangelion without arms? If I write about shoulder pylons, will I list every single evangelion without it? It doesn't make sense to leave it there."

Actually, the 44B is the only Eva unit in all of the rebuild movies which has a regular eva torso and no arms. None of the Nemesis series have any other regular eva limbs so it wouldn't make sense for them to be the source of arms. I thought you were all knowledgeable about rebuild design, this is basic stuff, I shouldn't need to explain it to you.

"My motivation is clear: I like do edit mechas from the rebuild series, I am sure I would be editing the 8 gamma or shin ni if I did not have to waste my time discussing with you already. And of course, this isn't a race. No one wins prizes for creating pages or anything. I sure only took interest in the arm unit page because someone created and started put whatever information on it. I would be way happier if I could focus on other evas pages instead of this one with the constant edit wars. This isn't a matter of liking or not the page, it is a matter of maintaining quality, the same thing as the vtol page, it isn't about my profound love for the arm unit or the vtol aircraft, but the quality of the pages themselves. "

You're right, this isn't a race, so it's weird that you pointed out that I hadn't finished the page after I made it when you said this earlier;

"You doubt me? Look at the history page and go back to the first time you created the page, look there and see the difference of quality of the whole page. That is what we don't want here and right now as the page is locked is more akin to what we want the pages to look like."

Get on your "it's not a race" soapbox all you want, but don't forget you wanted it to be a race earlier. I know you're a hypocrite but this is just astounding, even by your standards. The only reason why I mentioned I made the page was to point out that you didn't care about the unit until I did and you don't know anything more about it then I do. You aren't an authority on anything, much less so for the comically funny arm ball.

Also, that's not your motivation behind reverting good changes other people make because you disagree with, that's your motivation for making changes at all. You clearly want to control the pages you like but that's not how this wiki works, if you want to write about mecha you like without dealing with other people this wiki has a blog feature, you should take a look at it.

"So you also is able to see the future too huh? It is incredible in how this is the only page where this conflict is happening, I don't see the problems with my supposed absolute need to control in Minus Space or Evangelion Imaginary, I wonder why... Maybe it is because the users there are trying to help by giving good information, not writing about the fact of the size of evangelion imaginary's nipple is similar to the size of rei's nipple and should be written in the trivia page as a connection to it."

Not happening there because nobody cares to challenge you, your admittedly broken English and your overly inflated ego. Also weird that you're bringing up a 14 year olds nipple, I get that this is an eva wiki but even taking that into account that's just weird and unrelated. Eva Img is also not remotely related to Rei, where as the 44B and the Armvengelion are both weapons made by Nerv, they are directly connected to each other.

''"Simple. It isn't the purpose of all these years of work to be humorous, this isn't transformers wiki. We try to be as neutral as possible, that is the prerogative in here. How each one react to the movie, game, book or whatever is up to them. Imagine if in describing a scene in the manga I started to write about sadamoto's attempts at comedy and ranking them. It is literally what you were doing when you created the page.

We as a group decide what we put on the wikia and how. How to separate each page and so on, this isn't a single person deciding on each thing, it is a group consensus. It was stabilished years ago that the pages would be split in rebuild versions and NGE versions and to this day we are still working on the separation of it, not all is done but it is the point that was decided by a group.

And when describing things, you don't describe absence of things. You describe what you see. in the case of mark.44B, you describe the dome over the torso, we don't speculate about its arms since we can't see them, are they inside the dome, cut them off, doesn't matter since we can't describe in a manner that is accurate until we get further information. "''

I'm not writing standup here, there's a difference between having a light hearted description and writing something humorous. Saying it's surprising how effective the unit is accurate and light hearted and also informative. It is a surprise that they're effective, especially given the context that prior to them appearing bipedal units were considered to be the most effective. That's not an opinion, it's a valuable observation.

''"This is the most idiotic shit I ever read on this site. Do you even realize it? Lets see how: "these Eva units are entirely made of arms and shoulder pylons" wrong, we don't know if they are evangelions or not, they aren't made of arms and should pylons, there is a sphere in the middle with another capabilities like self exploding and also supposedly 3 blue sensors. "both of which were removed from Evangelion Mark.44B", fanfic of the century here. "It is speculated that the leftover arms from the production of the Mark. 44B's were used in the creation of these units." You should rename yourself as kozo fuyutsuki, because you sure as hell have the whole NERV evangelion development plan in your desk to affirm this.

And the best part is: While not confirmed, holy shit, if it isn't confirmed, imagine the STRETCH that you went writing all this. Even by fanfic standards, it would be pretty dumb by the way, since it would make much more sense to write as the arms of the mark04 since they are almost the same color except the shoulder pylons and knee guards."''

Yeah, if you want to quote the original version of the page, which again, I made at 1AM in the morning with the intention of fixing later, then go ahead, but you said it yourself "You can't tell the future", I can't and neither can you, the notion that I would honestly leave it like that is laughable since if I thought the page was good like that the first thing I would have done when I saw your edits would be to revert them. If you look at the actual changes I made to your initial revision or any other page I've edited you won't find anything that silly because that was never going to stick around.

"Yeah, it is a shame I couldn't source the video before since I watched it on the EVA EXTRA app and it doesn't allow you to take screenshots, but I eventually found it as I was looking for another information on khara's twitter page. But now is sourced there, shouldn't we be happy?"

LMAO, I never called you braindead for not citing things, I called you braindead for accusing me of not citing things when that's clearly not the case. You saying you also cite things isn't a defense of anything because I called you a hypocrite for calling me out for a lack of citation when you do the same thing. It's not a problem that the source wasn't there, it never would have been, but the difference between me and you is I'm not saying you're filling the wiki with misinformation because of a lack of citations.

"No I didn't blow about any shit. It was never positron rifle, never ever. But since you want to use merchandising to name as such, lets use it them [Set Contents] 2nd Experimental High Output Self-Propelled 460mm Positron Cannon . Isn't the merchandising enough? Lets see the movie itself them. 00:59:56, official amazon english subtitles: "a positron cannon armed 4444c land battle variant". I even went to different languages to see if any uses rifle, and guess what: NONE. But lets guess which one is correct: a page that wasn't well maintained like evangelion 1.0 movie page, merchandising or the weapons section? It is hard to do research is it? "

I included links to products because I was citing my sources, notice how I stopped writing rifle and started writing cannon once you pointed out that the wiki was mistaken because I had no reason to argue with that. Again, you're avoiding the point that you accused me of not doing research and I pointed out an example of research that I did which involved looking at this wiki. If the wiki is wrong, my research was obviously going to be wrong, I'm not saying I was right, I'm saying I do research. You're fixating on past edits which I either reverted or didn't undo. Also, just want to point out that you yourself called it the rifle in the edit history

"to do: description of the positron rifle (shoulder pylons, two beam arcs, red glowing plate, etc"

So you yourself aren't even free from the sin you're calling me out for. At least I can own up to my mistakes.

"Simple, it isn't the same design. And thank god we have the 2.0 CRC because it is written there, one is the Evangelion Production Model-03 and the other is Evangelion Next Gen Testbed-04, did you realize the difference? One is a production model and other isn't. We have no fucking clue about the design of it, if it even have a main body, arms, legs, head, we have no clue. The fact is: there are 3 evangelions that "shows" in the movies and yet are absent in the scene: Evangelion Next Gen Testbed-04, unit 8+2 and the mass produced mark.06s. the later two also have their designs and models, yet are still absent, one we don't have a design since they decided to not put it there since it was their decision to. So it isn't a question of only not having a model, they did have the models for two supposed evangelion that were changed later as the plans for the last movie happened. "

Dude, you can not be serious. There were hundreds of people working on this movie, dozens of new designs were made and you're seriously trying to argue they had no ability to make a new Unit-04 3D Model to include in the scene? That's insane. It could have been an active choice, but it's far more likely they just forgot about Unit-04 because it's a single throwaway line in a movie made well over 10 years ago. Cope all you want but the lack of Unit-04 means that scene does not contain every Evangelion, just the ones which served the plot.

"As for why I believe it isn't an eva I already wrote it, not gonna repeat myself. And for that reason I removed the supposedly evangelion from the page and wrote what was in the movie: It was a defensive weapon since it couldn't travel to attack like the mark seven. It could only defend the place before the attacks of the wille evas, in the same way that the purpose of it wasn't to destroy the evangelions, but to incapacitate them since gendo's plan needed an evangelion to turn into the new 9th angel. It being absent from the scene of deconstruction only makes sense as if they know it wasn't an evangelion, since neither khara refered as such in social media and in the movie itself. Unless we get more information, this page is already fine the way it is, since nothing more can be described beyond small details like the shape of the toe guards or the format of the shoulder pylons. "

Gendo's plan also required the Wunder to exist, so by that argument the 04C also isn't an eva, it's just a weapon. He also needed the Unit-01 and Auska, so by that logic the 04A also wasn't an eva since it's goal wasn't to destroy unit 02 or kill Auska. In fact, since they need the Wunder, the 44A, 44B and 4444C are also just weapons since if the positron landed its hit the wunder would have been completely ruined and he couldn't have completed his plan. Really, if we're going off of Gendo's plan, basically none of the Nerv Eva's would actually be considered Eva's. But that's all extremely dumb because we know they're all Eva's, the problem is you can't just assume it's not an Eva unit because it's objective isn't to destroy the other Eva's because that's a trait is shares with so many other units.

"This is tiresome and I hope to not even come back to it, I will keep correcting the mistakes or vandalism of anyone who edits the wikia, you keep believing this is a power trip, imagining a crusade against you personally when it is a simple case of a person not wanting to leave a false information on the page."

Thankfully, it's not only me, from my talk page, left behind by your pal, Maverick,

"Hey there, I noticed you have been engaging in some edit warring with user User:Lemostr00. I know he can be abrasive but please refrain from going back and forth with constant edits"

And from somebody else on Maverick's page:

"The wiki has other articles that cover both the TV and Rebuild depictions despite similarly minor levels of differences, such as Evangelion and N2 technology, something with Lemostr00 pointedly refused to address before making their unilateral reversion of my edit."

So, no, I'm not the only one who thinks you're an asshat and I'm very aware this isn't a crusade against me, it's a power trip against multiple people because you're too insecure to handle people questioning your ultimate authority (lol). You're a bad editor who can't write or follow basic editing procedures who wants to feel like they're in control of something. I can understand why you would be getting tired of this, it's not easy being bad at something you spend so much time doing.

You also didn't address any of the points I brought up, I proved you were lying about not reverting my formatting changes, it's a bad look to avoid that one in particular. ~User:ArxisOne


 * Oh boy, I leave for a few hours and look what happens. Firstly, to both of you guys, don't make this personal, there's no need to start throwing insults or Ad-Hominems to each other. Keep it civil.


 * To Arxis: You can call me Mav if you want to. To be honest with you, I have never been a fan of the trivia section, as it is usually used as a way to add information that's either too subjective or unconfirmed. That's not a problem exclusive to this page, and you probably can see it in other articles. However we have never removed it because it's mostly harmless. But sometimes I do wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just remove it from all articles just like Wikipedia does. That way at least there would be consistency. But I don't know if everyone else would like that


 * And it's not that we aren't fun, heck, you can check [|Kaworu's talk page] by yourself. We just keep the fun bits confined to talk pages, forums, user pages or user spaces. I have nothing against witty writing or dry humor, but we started as a Wikia wiki first.


 * This place is definitely understaffed, which is another problem, because fewer people can keep an eye on what is happening. And there are few helping hands to actually create needed pages. That's why you see such a lack of new articles.


 * About the infobox, I agree with you on that. We have already included things like the Simulation Bodies or Jet Alone, even if the Arm Units are merely weapons and not Evas, they should still be on the template. Or maybe we should make another one for not-quite-an-Eva mechas and add Arm-y there? The one we already have is getting bigger with each passing days.


 * To Lemostr00: As I previously told you using different means of communication, I'm glad you're helping but you are very blunt when talking and usually come off as rude, on that I agree with Arxis. I'm definitely sure most of this discussion wouldn't be happening, had you been less abrasive when expressing yourself. I know references and accuracy are top importance when adding to an article, but new users may not be entirely aware about how this place works, what can they do or if their edits are being useful. Always assume good faith and take action only after genuine negative actions arise. Remember that we are supposed to discuss this types of things as a group.


 * Even if Arxis edits were to be contentious, there's no point in engaging on constant edit-warring, we already talked about that before. Don't assume ill will, and be softer with your words.


 * To both of you: I know each of you is a very good editor, as I myself have confirmed when reading your contributions. Let's cooperate to make this place better, and put all this energy into editing if possible. I doubt you guys are in the mood to read a wall of text written by me, so I'll be brief - should something like this happen again in the future, contact me or HPZ, we both are admins here and we both are here to listen to you and your suggestions and complains. Use the talk pages, so we all can see what's happening and we all can give our opinions. ~ The Maverick  013  01:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

To Mav
Mav,

You asked us to talk it out and so we started talking it out, I'm really not quite sure what you expect would happen. I'm interested in seeing what his responses are because so far, he's lied about reverting edits, accused me of not doing research (which I don't take offense to, I just think it's funny) and called me out for spreading misinformation (which again, I don't take offense to, this one is just confusing though). I appreciate your concern, but this issue isn't going to be resolved by us just playing nice. Hate to put you on the spot to make tough decisions, but I believe I was incredibly clear in my original post to you and your inaction is concerning. I appreciate that you're not the kind of mod who likes to use their power, but sometimes you have to settle things. Like this.

Your perspective on the trivia section is also weird considering trivia sections are allowed and what I wrote is clearly a perfect fit for that section. If you add back the reference to the 44B and add the page to the bottom banner I would not only be fine with moving on from all this, I would be happy to do so. I have no hard feelings, I also think I made that abundantly clear, but I do want something done and I don't appreciate your wishy washy stance on the topic, you can't make both of us happy by doing nothing.

As for removing trivia, nobody wants that, I don't see any harm in having fun, mostly meaningless little factoids and observations at the bottom of every page, if the page is written well odds are, once you make it to that point you'll know enough to come to your own opinion on the trivia. This show (and wiki) is dry as a desert, there's no reason why there shouldn't be an oasis at the bottom of some pages.


 * It is not the fact you guys are discussing that concerns me, it is how you guys do it. No more calling people coward or bad editors, please. As for me "not doing anything", I'll be clear, I could take a stance right now, however I'm not the only admin, HPZ counts too, and active editors as Felipe. Were I to take a choice right now, I'd be judging everything by myself and I can't be the judge, the jury and the executioner. That's not how we usually work. Other users deserve to add their input.


 * Sadly, the nature of these talk pages and time zones make it difficult for everybody else to join immediately to the discussion. ~ The Maverick  013  02:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

To Mav 2
I believe my original post directed at you was civil, if he wanted to be civil, that was his opportunity, but he chose not to and so here we are. I think this discussion should continue, I have no personal issue with being insulted, and if he lives in a glass house and can't handle rocks being thrown then he shouldn't have cast the first stone.

As for getting the whole gang together to participate in democracy (which I don't take issue with), locking the thread wasn't a team decision so I don't see why unlocking it or adding it to the bottom would be. It feels like this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion for no good reason, if my desired changes were made this whole thing would easily end but for some reason I'm the only one being asked to compromise. As of now, the page is locked as his final edit meaning doing nothing or delaying action unfairly punishes my efforts. If this was the Unit-01 page I would understand this attitude but I just don't see why his edits are getting special treatment.

I've already stated extremely clearly what I want, I don't think I've been unreasonable. I've been willing to compromise to the point of having one single line of mine written into the page I stirred up interest for in the first place. If there's going to be a vote, so be it, but I also want to be clear that if what you're after is fairness, this isn't the way to go about it. ~User:ArxisOne


 * Can I please get a summary of your dispute here? Something not this long? I have been away for some time and I'm not sure I'll have the time. Arxis, please sign your post, also: ~

Broadly speaking I'm okay with including trivia, but I prefer it to be sourced. This isn't wikipedia. At the same time something both this wiki and Evageeks lack is official sources to back up claims, even though a lot of time editors are simply repeating them. FelipeFritschF (talk) 03:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

TL;DR and Calm Discussion
Here's the TL;DR

I think it's interesting that there's a unit which is only made up of arms and there's a unit introduced in the same movie with no arms and I thought the trivia section would be the perfect place for that observation. Apparently not.

Second, I don't think the page should say if it is or is not an Eva as there is no evidence to push it in either direction and the last two movies blew open what constitutes an Eva Unit (The Mark Series and the 44A mainly). I don't think it should be specifically called as an eva unit on the page, but specifically mentioning that it is not one is also wrong.

Third, I think it's weird that this page isn't included in the page directory. As per my second point, I think it should be with Jet Alone and the other non eva units.

Those are the three points of contention, if they're resolved I'll be happy to move on to other things. As for what's in the other thousands of words, it's mostly just personal drama around the special treatment of this page, I'll be real with you, reading it will probably just confuse you more. If you have any other questions I'm happy to try and help! ~User:ArxisOne

PS: Sorry for not signing, it's easy to forget this is a talk page and not the editing history lol. I'll be more careful in the future.


 * Thanks. Yeah, I don't see any problem here, I guess Maverick and HPZ can chip in more easily too.

Your point regarding the ambiguity of the new "Evas" is a very good one. I don't know when or if we'll have official information on it. FelipeFritschF (talk) 06:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You know, the TL;DR is useful for me too. So I'll state what I think. I think the trivia about being made of arms can be included if it is re-worded. The original sentence mentioned how "it is speculated...". My guess is Lemostr00 was trying to remove it because of that, as we are trying to remove speculation. Simply pointing out how one is made of arms and the other one lacks them should be fine. "This Unit is made of arms, this one Units lacks arms, it is unknown if there is any connection". Something like that.


 * The nickname, I find it funny but I don't think it has enough relevancy to be included.


 * I agree about not knowing what this thing is. Unless an official source clarifies it, the article should remain neutral. It may be an autonomous weapon, or just a minor Unit. Hope khara provides more info on this.


 * And yes, I do think it should be added to a template. So as I previously stated, either we make another one for generic mechas like the Anti-G Weapon or we add it to the related or other categories. ~ The Maverick  013  06:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I strongly agree with the nickname being removed, as much as I like it, it doesn't belong on the page, though its legacy will forever live on as the name of the picture, which is good enough for me so long as it stays in the gallery (I genuinely think its a good picture). As for the trivia being reworded, I also completely agree, maybe this is more reasonable?

"It's interesting to note that Evangelion 3.0+1.0 introduced a NERV weapon with no arms in the form of the Evangelion 44B and this unit, consisting almost entirely of arms."

I just woke up so that might sound better in my head, I'm happy to go back to the drawing board if it's still too much. ~User:ArxisOne

Also, I feel like I should add to this since I didn't say anything about it, I still want to be able to edit the page like I would any other page to restructure sentences or add details (not trivia, I don't want to do this again). That's probably a more controversial ask since I have a bit of a conflict of interests, but I don't really want to be black listed from the page if it's not necessary.

If I were to add details in the future, I think it's understandable and would hope they would be held to a higher level of editorial scrutiny given this situation so we don't end up with a repeat of this whole situation again. I also think it would be reasonable to demand I leave clear notes in the edit history for the changes I made and why. Regardless, when the page does open back up, I won't be making any changes unless I'm given permission to do so. ~User:ArxisOne


 * I removed its protection. Feel free to add and change what we already discussed. Do keep Lemostr00's sources, those are always useful. So: re-worded arms factoid, nickname removal, neutrality about its nature as an Eva, keep sources and/or add more if found. I guess me or HPZ will add it to the Eva template later. Also, If you want a place to add speculation or funny bits, your user page is all yours, or you can make a blog to share. There are forums too. ~ The Maverick  013  00:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

That's honestly a much better result then I was expecting, I kind of thought I was headed into a kangaroo court but I guess not, I'm sorry for doubting your impartiality. I also want to say I'm not going to let this approval of my requests take away from the lesson I learned about how to deal with these situations in the future, I'll try my best to stay out of trouble. ~User:ArxisOne